Episode 15: On How Quickly a Pastor Should Make Changes


It’s tempting for a new pastor to show up with a laundry list of problems that need to be fixed immediately. But that approach is unloving—not to mention it almost never works. Too many pastors have left churches worse off due to their hastiness in implementing change. To help with this, Jonathan sat down with Mark to chat about how quickly pastors should try to make changes in a church.


– You’ve said before that young pastors have great acuity, but poor depth perception. Can you explain that? (1:00)

– What kinds of mistakes do young pastors take? (2:40)

– How did you moderate the pace of change at the beginning of your time at CHBC? (5:50)

– Is “change nothing in your first year” good advice? (9:45)

– What should a pastor give himself to in the first year? Why is preaching so crucial? (13:00)

– Should a pastor deliberately set out to build relationships with those who are disagreeable? How much does that help? (15:55)

– Why should some pastors not practice church discipline right away? (18:00)

– How much does handing out books help? (19:50)

– Three areas of things that might change. (23:00)

Jonathan Leeman

Jonathan (@JonathanLeeman) edits the 9Marks series of books as well as the 9Marks Journal. He is also the author of several books on the church. Since his call to ministry, Jonathan has earned a master of divinity from Southern Seminary and a Ph.D. in Ecclesiology from the University of Wales. He lives with his wife and four daughters in Cheverly, Maryland, where he is an elder at Cheverly Baptist Church.

Mark Dever

​Mark Dever is the senior pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington, D. C., and the President of 9Marks. You can find him on Twitter at @MarkDever.

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