Pastors Talk

Pastors’ Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.

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Episode 148: On How A Culture of Discipling + Lay Elders = Church Planting

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.20.2020

Healthy churches plant churches. But how? What causes a church to “bubble over”? Here’s one way.

Episode 147: On the Appeal and the Errors of Theonomy (with T. David Gordon)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, T. David Gordon | 10.12.2020

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with T. David Gordon about the errors of theonomy. They also consider why might it be appealing to certain Christians in our day and what pastors should do about it.

Episode 146: On Preparing for a Tough Political Season (Part 2)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.06.2020

Mark and Jonathan chart about the new 9Marks Journal: Pastoring through Political Turmoil.

Episode 145: On Preparing for a Tough Political Season (Part 1)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Pastoring Through Political Turmoil | 09.29.2020

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how pastors can prepare their people for a tough political season.

Episode 144: On Lay Elders, Part 2 (with Klon Kitchen)

By J. Leeman, K. Kitchen, M. Dever | 09.22.2020

How do you prevent a potential friction between staff and lay elders? How do you ensure they’re not just “yes men”? How much deference should non-staff elders give others?

Episode 143: On Lay Elders, Part 1 (with Klon Kitchen)

By J. Leeman, K. Kitchen, M. Dever | 09.15.2020

Churches ought to have elders. Some will be paid (1 Tim. 5), but many will not. These unpaid elders are called “lay elders.” Is this distinction in the Bible?

Episode 142: On Preparing for the Next Guy

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 09.08.2020

Pastor, unless Jesus comes back before you get a new job, then your church will have another pastor—and at least one of your jobs as the current pastor is to prepare your church for the next guy.

Episode 141: On The Life and Ministry of J. I. Packer

By J. I. Packer, M. Dever | 07.28.2020

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Episode 140: A Conversation about Grace Community Church’s Statement on Civil Disobedience

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.26.2020

Jonathan and Mark chat about Grace Community Church’s decision, civil disobedience, and how Christians ought to approach this season with an extra amount of charity and grace.

Episode 139: Remembering J. I. Packer

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.22.2020

Jonathan Leeman asks Mark Dever to reflect on his friendship with J. I. Packer. 

Episode 138: On What if I Don’t Desire to Pray (with John Onwuchekwa)

By J. Onwuchekwa, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.21.2020

As Christians, we know we should pray. But too often, we fail to because we simply don’t desire to.

Episode 137: On What If I Don’t Feel Like Going to Church (with Gunner Gundersen)

By G. Gundersen, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.14.2020

As a pastor, how many times have you heard a member tell you, “I’m so sorry we missed last Sunday—we just couldn’t make it with everything we have going on!”?

Episode 136: On Pastors and Social Media

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.07.2020

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about how pastors ought to approach social media use.

Episode 135: On Shepherding: The Work and Character of a Pastor

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Shepherding: The Work & Character of a Pastor | 06.30.2020

In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal: On Shepherding — The Work and Character of a Pastor.

Episode 134: On the Difference between Revival and Revivalism

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 06.23.2020

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark to take a brief tour of church history so that pastors and Christians today can discern the difference between revival—a good thing—and revivalism—a bad thing.