Episode 61 58min November 17, 2025

On Loving the Church with all her Flaws

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Erin, Jenny and Keri talk with Hayley about loving the church in the midst of and when recovering from church hurt.

 

Topics Discussed

03:00 – What is Church Hurt?
Relational wounds in the context of the church—from gossip and exclusion to abuse and hypocrisy.

06:00 – Is It Really Church Hurt?
Distinguishing between minor offenses and deeper, identity-shaping hurt.

09:00 – Helping the Wounded
How those who haven’t experienced church hurt can care well for those who have.

12:00 – Who’s Most Affected?
Hayley shares the three groups she sees most in counseling: pastor’s wives, teenagers, and church staff.

17:00 – Discipling the Disappointed
How to walk with people who are struggling—without enabling bitterness or burnout.

24:00 – Biblical Models for Hurt and Healing
Lessons from Paul, Peter, and Jesus in facing betrayal and entrusting justice to God.

30:00 – Realigning With the Church
Why healing doesn’t mean giving up on church—and how to wisely re-engage.

38:00 – When Leaders Sin
Counseling insights on how churches should handle abuse and accusations in leadership.

45:00 – Deep Wounds and Gospel Hope
How to walk with those hurt by the church through lament, truth, and healing.

 

Resources Mentioned

Forgiveness: Reflecting God’s Mercy by Hayley Satrom

When People Are Big and God is Small by Ed Welch

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