Pastors’ Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.

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Baptism & Membership

Episode 89: On Baptism and Church Membership (with Ligon Duncan)

By J. Leeman, L. Duncan, M. Dever | 05.28.2019

Credobaptists and paedobaptists don’t agree on what baptism is, but they both agree that it must precede church membership.

Pastors' Talk On the Prosperity Gospel

Episode 88: On the Prosperity Gospel (with Sean Demars & Greg Gilbert)

By G. Gilbert, J. Leeman, M. Dever, S. DeMars | 05.21.2019

The prosperity gospel is evil, and it’s spreading across the globe like wildfire.

Episode 87 - On Church Membership

Episode 87: On Church Membership

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Church Membership: Following the Lord Together | 05.14.2019

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about our new Journal—Church Membership: Following the Lord Together.

Pastors Talk Episode 86 - On What is the Gospel (with Greg Gilbert)

Episode 86: On What is the Gospel (with Greg Gilbert)

By G. Gilbert, J. Leeman | 05.07.2019

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan sat down with Greg Gilbert—author of our book What Is the Gospel?—to chat about what is and isn’t the gospel.

what miserable Christians sing

Episode 85: On What Can Miserable Christians Sing (with Carl Trueman and Matt Merker)

By C. Trueman, J. Leeman, M. Dever, M. Merker | 04.30.2019

If someone walks into your church next Sunday, and they’re miserable from life’s trials and tribulations, what songs will you ask them to sing?

on church buildings podcast 9Marks

Episode 84: On Church Buildings

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 04.23.2019

We know the church is comprised of the people, not the building. And yet, church buildings can be extremely valuable, useful, and vital for the health of long-term Christianity.

Pastors' Talk Episode 83 - On Evangelism

Episode 83: On Overcoming Fear in Personal Evangelism (with Isaac Adams)

By I. Adams, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 04.16.2019

As Christians, we know we should share the gospel, but many of us feel discouraged—either about our lack of evangelism, or the lack of fruit from our evangelism. What can we do about this? Where can we lousy evangelists find hope?

Church Budgeting podcast

Episode 82: On How Your Budget is a Spiritual Issue (with Jamie Dunlop)

By J. Dunlop, J. Leeman | 04.02.2019

If you want to see your church move toward health, the church budget has to move toward health.

Pastors' Talk podcast episode on lament

Episode 81: On the Christian Practice of Lament (with Mark Vroegop)

By J. Leeman, M. Vroegop | 03.26.2019

Lament is a “prayer in pain that leads to trust.”

On Planning your Preaching Schedule

Episode 80: On Planning Your Preaching Schedule

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 03.19.2019

Mark plans out the preaching schedule for CHBC nearly a year in advance. But why?

Episode 79: On Funerals

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 03.12.2019

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about how to preside over funeral services.

Episode 78: On Pastoring Members in the Workplace (with Sebastian Traeger)

Episode 78: On Pastoring Members in the Workplace (with Sebastian Traeger)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, S. Traeger | 03.05.2019

Pastors, the vast majority of people in your church will spend tens of thousands of hours at work. How will you help them connect the gospel to their work?

On Living Close to Your Church Pastors Talk

Episode 77: On Living Close to your Church

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 02.26.2019

Mark and Jonathan discuss why Christians should consider proximity to their church when they’re deciding where to live.

Episode 76 - Pastors Talk on Pastoral Pay

Episode 76: On Pastoral Pay

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 02.19.2019

The Great Commission has been fulfilled, at least in part, by local Christians setting aside money to pay someone to teach them God’s Word full-time when possible.

On Church Planting (with Brian Davis and Nathan Knight)

Episode 75: On Church Planting (with Brian Davis and Nathan Knight)

By B. Davis, J. Leeman, M. Dever, N. Knight | 02.12.2019

What’s the difference between a church plant and a church? Is it best to start a church with a team of pastors rather than a solo pastor?