Pastors Talk

Pastors’ Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.

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Pastor's Talk

Episode 143: On Lay Elders, Part 1 (with Klon Kitchen)

By J. Leeman, K. Kitchen, M. Dever | 09.15.2020

Churches ought to have elders. Some will be paid (1 Tim. 5), but many will not. These unpaid elders are called “lay elders.” Is this distinction in the Bible?

Episode 142: On Preparing for the Next Guy

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 09.08.2020

Pastor, unless Jesus comes back before you get a new job, then your church will have another pastor—and at least one of your jobs as the current pastor is to prepare your church for the next guy.

Episode 141: On The Life and Ministry of J. I. Packer

By J. I. Packer, M. Dever | 07.28.2020

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Episode 140: A Conversation about Grace Community Church’s Statement on Civil Disobedience

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.26.2020

Jonathan and Mark chat about Grace Community Church’s decision, civil disobedience, and how Christians ought to approach this season with an extra amount of charity and grace.

Episode 139: Remembering J. I. Packer

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.22.2020

Jonathan Leeman asks Mark Dever to reflect on his friendship with J. I. Packer. 

Episode 138: On What if I Don’t Desire to Pray (with John Onwuchekwa)

By J. Onwuchekwa, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.21.2020

As Christians, we know we should pray. But too often, we fail to because we simply don’t desire to.

Episode 137: On What If I Don’t Feel Like Going to Church (with Gunner Gundersen)

By G. Gundersen, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.14.2020

As a pastor, how many times have you heard a member tell you, “I’m so sorry we missed last Sunday—we just couldn’t make it with everything we have going on!”?

Episode 136: On Pastors and Social Media

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.07.2020

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about how pastors ought to approach social media use.

Episode 135: On Shepherding: The Work and Character of a Pastor

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Shepherding: The Work & Character of a Pastor | 06.30.2020

In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal: On Shepherding — The Work and Character of a Pastor.

Episode 134: On the Difference between Revival and Revivalism

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 06.23.2020

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark to take a brief tour of church history so that pastors and Christians today can discern the difference between revival—a good thing—and revivalism—a bad thing. 

Episode 133: On Why Should I Join a Church?

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 06.16.2020

Have you ever met a growing Christian who is self-consciously choosing not to join a church? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the vital necessity of joining a local church.

Episode 132: On Teaching Your Church about Issues Related to Race (with Jeff Brown, James Miles, and Mark Vroegop)

By J. Miles, J. Brown, J. Leeman, M. Vroegop | 06.09.2020

Should pastors try to educate their church about issues related to race and racism? If so, how?

Episode 131: On Pastoring Amidst National Trauma (with Garrett Kell)

By G. Kell, J. Leeman | 06.05.2020

The past few weeks have been hard. People are grieving and angry, scared and confused.

Episode 130: On How Can I Love Church Members with Different Politics (with Andy Naselli)

By A. Naselli, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 06.02.2020

Conversations about politics are often emotionally charged. We disagree because our consciences are calibrated differently. So how can we still love each other?

Episode 129: On Principles to Consider as We Gather Again

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 05.26.2020

As churches move toward gathering again, there are lots of principles to consider. One of the most important—and one of the least talked about—is the difference between what’s a church and what’s not a church.