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Episode 61: On Shepherding during Disagreements

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.22.2018

‪How should a pastor shepherd people through disagreement? How should he balance the tension between being a truth-teller and a peacemaker?‬ ‪Mark and Jonathan discuss.

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Episode 60: On Cultivating a Culture of Evangelism

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.16.2018

Churches shouldn’t farm out personal evangelism to pastors, professionals, or programs. Instead, the goal for every church ought to be a culture of evangelism.

On Teaching the Church about the Church

Episode 59: On Teaching the Church about the Church

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.09.2018

Pastors must teach the church about what a church is. If they don’t, who will?

Episode 58: On Members Meetings

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.02.2018

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss members meetings—what they are, where they are in the Bible, and how to make them of spiritual interest.

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Episode 57: On Prayer (with John Onwuchekwa)

By J. Onwuchekwa, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 09.25.2018

In the season premiere of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan and Mark sit down with John Onwuchekwa to talk about his new 9Marks book Prayer: How Praying Together Shapes the Church.

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Episode 56: On Pastoral Burnout

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Pastoral Burnout: Its Causes & Cures | 07.17.2018

Mark and Jonathan discuss the subject of burnout, particularly how it happens and what church leaders can do to avoid it in the first place.

On the Ministry of Good Christian Books

Episode 55: On the Ministry of Good Christian Books

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 06.05.2018

Good books help us follow Jesus.

Episode 54: On “Broad” & “Narrow” Complementarianism

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 05.29.2018

Complementarianism is an umbrella term, under which Christians with both “narrow” and “broad” convictions stand.

Episode 53 - On Deacons (podcast)

Episode 53: On Deacons

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 05.22.2018

What does a biblical deacon do? How do they differ from elders? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan talks to Mark about the biblical office of deacon.

Episode 52: On the Sufficiency of Scripture

Episode 52: On the Sufficiency of Scripture

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 05.15.2018

What do we mean when we say that Scripture is “sufficient”? Does the sufficiency of Scripture have anything to do with pastoral ministry? Does it shackle pastors or does it provide them reassurance?

On How Protestant Reformation

Episode 51: On How the Reformation Changed Sunday Gatherings (with Jonathan Gibson)

By J. Gibson, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 05.08.2018

Through the liturgies of the Reformation, evangelical doctrine was as much caught in public worship as it was taught in published writings.

Episode 50 - On Associate Pastors

Episode 50: On the Role of Associate Pastors

By B. Jamieson, J. Dunlop, J. Leeman | 05.01.2018

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with pastors Jamie Dunlop and Bobby Jamieson to discuss their roles, and how their work complements Mark’s as the senior pastor. 

On How the Nations Rage

Episode 49: On How the Nations Rage

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Church Life: Our True Political Witness | 04.24.2018

In this episode, Mark chats with Jonathan about his new book How the Nations Rage: Rethinking Faith & Politics in a Divided Age.

Episode 48: On Core Seminars and Sunday School

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 04.17.2018

For many churches, the Sunday School hour has gone by the wayside. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how Core Seminar classes can become a vital ministry for any local church.

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Episode 47: On T4G and Celebrity Pastors

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 04.10.2018

Tomorrow marks the beginning of the sixth Together for the Gospel conference. Does this conference exacerbate the problem of celebrity pastors, especially as articulated recently on TGC by Andy Crouch?