Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.

Pastors Talk

Episode 205: On Pastoring International Churches (with Caleb Greggsen)

By C. Greggsen, J. Leeman | 05.10.2022

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Caleb Greggsen about the underestimated value of pastoring international churches.

Episode 204: On “No Shortcut to Success,” Part 2 (with Matt Rhodes)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, M. Rhodes | 04.26.2022

Missionaries must be able to communicate clearly, credibly, and boldly—which means they must learn the heart language of the people they are ministering to. 

Episode 203: On The Prosperity Gospel (with Sean DeMars and Mike McKinley)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, M. McKinley, S. DeMars | 04.12.2022

The prosperity gospel is wicked. It leads people on a path toward destruction. It lures people into a false sense of security.

Episode 202: On Expressive Individualism (with Carl Trueman)

By C. Trueman, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 04.05.2022

What is “expressive individualism”? Why does something so abstract matter for everyday pastors and normal local churches?

Episode 201: On Pastoring in Germany (with Matthias Lohmann, Lukas Stadt, and Rudolf Tissen)

By J. Leeman, L. Stadt, M. Dever, M. Lohmann, R. Tissen | 03.29.2022

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Matthias Lohmann about pastoring in Germany.

Episode 200: On Loving People as They Leave

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 03.15.2022

As pastors, how can you love people as they leave your church? Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss.

Episode 199: On When to Leave Associations

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 03.08.2022

Some pastors have recently wondered, “Should I lead my church leave our association?” Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the various principles at play when trying to make that important decision.

Episode 198: On What Should We Do about Members Who Won’t Attend? (with Alex Duke)

By A. Duke, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 03.01.2022

How can you tell if a church practices meaningful membership? Consider how it responds to those “members” who never attend. In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Alex Duke about how this topic is more important than you think. 

On Discipling Your Elders (Pastors Talk, Ep. 197)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 02.15.2022

Elders should disciple their fellow elders. How? Jonathan chats with Mark about several practical ways.

On “No Shortcut to Success,” Part 1 (with Matt Rhodes) | Pastors Talk, Ep. 196

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, M. Rhodes | 02.08.2022

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan and Mark chat with Matt Rhodes, the author of “No Shortcut to Success: A Manifesto for Modern Missions.”

On Wisdom for New Pastors (with Bob Johnson, Omar Johnson, and Sam Emadi) | Pastors Talk, Ep. 195

By B. Johnson, J. Leeman, O. Johnson, S. Emadi | 02.01.2022

An old pastor and a kind-of-new pastor give some advice to a brand-new pastor.

Episode 194: On How the Puritans Have Shaped Mark’s Ministry

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 01.25.2022

Who are the Puritans? How have they shaped Mark’s ministry?

Episode 193: On Top 2021 News Stories for Pastors (with Collin Hansen & Garrett Kell)

By C. Hansen, G. Kell, J. Leeman | 12.21.2021

Last week, Collin Hansen reflected on the top stories of last year. So we had him and Garrett Kell on this episode of Pastors Talk to think through each of these stories pastorally.

On Pastoral Ministry in Post-Christian Sweden (with Johnny Lithell, Ben Lacey, and Caleb Morell) | Pastors Talk, Ep. 192

By B. Lacey, C. Morell, J. Lithell, M. Dever | 12.14.2021

Mark Dever, Caleb Morell, and Ben Lacey chat with Swedish pastor Johnny Lithell about the ups and downs of ministry in a place with so few Christians. 

On Pastoral Patience – Part 2 (with John Folmar & Josh Manley) | Pastors Talk, Ep. 191

By J. Folmar, J. Leeman, J. Manley, M. Dever | 12.07.2021

How slowly should a pastor change things in a church? Jonathan chats with Mark Dever, John Folmar, and Josh Manley, in this second conversation about pastoral patience.