Pastors Talk

Pastors’ Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.

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Episode 151: On How Much a Pastor Should Care About His Reputation

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 11.10.2020

Paul says pastors must be “well thought of by outsiders.” But Jesus says we’re “blessed” when others speak evil about us, even falsely.

What do we do with this? How much should a pastor care about his reputation?

Episode 150: On Cleaning the Membership Rolls – Part 2 (with Matt Schmucker)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, M. Schmucker | 11.03.2020

Episode 149 explained what “cleaning the rolls” means, and why pastors should lead their churches to do it. Episode 150 continues the conversation, but focuses on how to actually get it done.

Episode 149: On Cleaning the Membership Rolls – Part 1 (with Matt Schmucker)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, M. Schmucker | 10.27.2020

Some churches report hundreds of members, with dozens in attendance. These churches need to “clean their rolls.”

Episode 148: On How A Culture of Discipling + Lay Elders = Church Planting

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.20.2020

Healthy churches plant churches. But how? What causes a church to “bubble over”? Here’s one way.

Episode 147: On the Appeal and the Errors of Theonomy (with T. David Gordon)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, T. David Gordon | 10.12.2020

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with T. David Gordon about the errors of theonomy. They also consider why might it be appealing to certain Christians in our day and what pastors should do about it.

Episode 146: On Preparing for a Tough Political Season (Part 2)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.06.2020

Mark and Jonathan chart about the new 9Marks Journal: Pastoring through Political Turmoil.

Episode 145: On Preparing for a Tough Political Season (Part 1)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Pastoring Through Political Turmoil | 09.29.2020

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how pastors can prepare their people for a tough political season.

Episode 144: On Lay Elders, Part 2 (with Klon Kitchen)

By J. Leeman, K. Kitchen, M. Dever | 09.22.2020

How do you prevent a potential friction between staff and lay elders? How do you ensure they’re not just “yes men”? How much deference should non-staff elders give others?

Episode 143: On Lay Elders, Part 1 (with Klon Kitchen)

By J. Leeman, K. Kitchen, M. Dever | 09.15.2020

Churches ought to have elders. Some will be paid (1 Tim. 5), but many will not. These unpaid elders are called “lay elders.” Is this distinction in the Bible?

Episode 142: On Preparing for the Next Guy

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 09.08.2020

Pastor, unless Jesus comes back before you get a new job, then your church will have another pastor—and at least one of your jobs as the current pastor is to prepare your church for the next guy.

Episode 141: On The Life and Ministry of J. I. Packer

By J. I. Packer, M. Dever | 07.28.2020

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Episode 140: A Conversation about Grace Community Church’s Statement on Civil Disobedience

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.26.2020

Jonathan and Mark chat about Grace Community Church’s decision, civil disobedience, and how Christians ought to approach this season with an extra amount of charity and grace.

Episode 139: Remembering J. I. Packer

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.22.2020

Jonathan Leeman asks Mark Dever to reflect on his friendship with J. I. Packer. 

Episode 138: On What if I Don’t Desire to Pray (with John Onwuchekwa)

By J. Onwuchekwa, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.21.2020

As Christians, we know we should pray. But too often, we fail to because we simply don’t desire to.

Episode 137: On What If I Don’t Feel Like Going to Church (with Gunner Gundersen)

By G. Gundersen, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 07.14.2020

As a pastor, how many times have you heard a member tell you, “I’m so sorry we missed last Sunday—we just couldn’t make it with everything we have going on!”?