Pastors’ Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.

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Episode 39: On “Mere Christianity”

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 02.13.2018

Is “mere Christianity”—the conviction that we should focus on only what’s essential to being a Christian—really the path toward true Christian unity? Does it guard the gospel over time?

Episode 38: On the Pastor's Heart and Other Churches

Episode 38: On the Pastor’s Heart and Other Churches

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 02.06.2018

Pastors are used to saying goodbye to long-time friends. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan interviews Mark about how to prepare for these sad-but-joyful moments.

Episode 37: On the 20th Anniversary of 9Marks

Episode 37: On the 20th Anniversary of 9Marks

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, M. Schmucker | 01.30.2018

January 2018 marks the 20th anniversary of 9Marks. To celebrate that milestone, Jonathan interviewed the two guys who were there when it all began: Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker.

Episode 36: On Discipling

Episode 36: On Discipling

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 01.23.2018

Discipling doesn’t need to be tethered to an elaborate program. Instead, it should be a part of a church’s culture. That’s easy to say, but hard to implement.

Episode 35: On Leadership (with H.B. Charles, Burk Parsons, and Jeramie Rinne)

By B. Parsons, H. B. Charles, J. Rinne, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 01.16.2018

Jonathan Leeman interviews four seasoned pastors—Mark Dever, Burk Parsons, H. B. Charles, and Jeramie Rinne—about leadership.

Episode 34: On Church Discipline

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Church Discipline: Medicine for the Body | 01.09.2018

As a part of the new 9Marks Journal—Church Discipline: Medicine for the Body—Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark Dever to talk about church discipline.

Episode 33: On Race (Part 2)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 12.19.2017

Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman continue their conversation about racial division in the church, highlighting the ways pastors can both educate themselves and work against it.

Episode 32: Remembering R.C. Sproul

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 12.18.2017

Mark Dever reflects on his friendship with the late R.C. Sproul. 

Episode 31: On Race (Part 1)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 12.12.2017

Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about America’s racial history, and how Christians should learn from their black brothers and sisters.

Episode 30: On Planning the Sunday Gathering (with Matt Merker)

By M. Dever, M. Merker | 12.05.2017

What goes into planning the Sunday gathering? Who should pick the songs, the Scripture readings, the types of prayer?

Episode 29: On Sermon Preparation

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 11.28.2017

How long should a preacher prep for his sermons? When and how should he consult commentaries? What’s the best way to involve others in the process?

Episode 28: On Seminary & Pastoral Training (with C. J. Mahaney)

By C. J. Mahaney, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 11.21.2017

Almost everyone agrees pastors need to be trained. But does this mean they must receive formal theological training from a seminary?

Episode 27: On How Churches Should Find a New Pastor

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 11.14.2017

Looking for a pastor? Here’s how Mark Dever suggests churches might resist common wisdom in their search.

Episode 26: On Multi-Site Churches (with Matt Chandler)

By J. Leeman, M. Dever, M. Chandler | 11.07.2017

Mark Dever and Jonathan Leeman interview Matt to talk about the reasons behind this transition.

Episode 25: On the Mission of the Church

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.31.2017

What is the mission of the church? Is it to preach the gospel and make disciples—or is that too narrow?