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Episode 66 On Contextualization — Pastors Talk

Episode 66: On Contextualization (with John Folmar and Trip Lee)

By J. Folmar, J. Leeman, M. Dever, T. Lee | 11.27.2018

What’s the goal in contextualization? How do we know if we’ve gone too far, or not far enough?

Episode 65: On Jonathan’s New Book, The Rule of Love

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 11.20.2018

The Bible tells us that “God is love.” But what does that actually mean? And what does it have to do with our lives and the local church?

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Episode 64: On Equipping the Church to Fight Pornography Together (with Deepak Reju)

By D. Reju, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: The Pastor and Pornography | 11.13.2018

It’s vital for individual Christians to pursue holiness. But how can church members work *together* in fighting against the sin of pornography?

The Pastor and Pornography podcast

Episode 63: On The Pastor and Pornography (with Garrett Kell)

By G. Kell, J. Leeman | 9Marks Journal: The Pastor and Pornography | 11.06.2018

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Garrett Kell shares his own past struggles with pornography, and offers counsel to pastors who are currently hiding with secret sin.

On How to Prepare a Church to Practice Discipline

Episode 62: On How to Prepare a Church to Practice Discipline

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.30.2018

Before a pastor leads a church to practice discipline, he must teach the church what the Bible teaches. It’s better to woo and win the church in the truth, than to wreck it in the pursuit of rightness.

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Episode 61: On Shepherding during Disagreements

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.22.2018

‪How should a pastor shepherd people through disagreement? How should he balance the tension between being a truth-teller and a peacemaker?‬ ‪Mark and Jonathan discuss.

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Episode 60: On Cultivating a Culture of Evangelism

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.16.2018

Churches shouldn’t farm out personal evangelism to pastors, professionals, or programs. Instead, the goal for every church ought to be a culture of evangelism.

On Teaching the Church about the Church

Episode 59: On Teaching the Church about the Church

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.09.2018

Pastors must teach the church about what a church is. If they don’t, who will?

Episode 58: On Members Meetings

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 10.02.2018

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan discuss members meetings—what they are, where they are in the Bible, and how to make them of spiritual interest.

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Episode 57: On Prayer (with John Onwuchekwa)

By J. Onwuchekwa, J. Leeman, M. Dever | 09.25.2018

In the season premiere of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan and Mark sit down with John Onwuchekwa to talk about his new 9Marks book Prayer: How Praying Together Shapes the Church.

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Episode 56: On Pastoral Burnout

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 9Marks Journal: Pastoral Burnout: Its Causes & Cures | 07.17.2018

Mark and Jonathan discuss the subject of burnout, particularly how it happens and what church leaders can do to avoid it in the first place.

On the Ministry of Good Christian Books

Episode 55: On the Ministry of Good Christian Books

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 06.05.2018

Good books help us follow Jesus.

Episode 54: On “Broad” & “Narrow” Complementarianism

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 05.29.2018

Complementarianism is an umbrella term, under which Christians with both “narrow” and “broad” convictions stand.

Episode 53 - On Deacons (podcast)

Episode 53: On Deacons

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 05.22.2018

What does a biblical deacon do? How do they differ from elders? In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan talks to Mark about the biblical office of deacon.

Episode 52: On the Sufficiency of Scripture

Episode 52: On the Sufficiency of Scripture

By J. Leeman, M. Dever | 05.15.2018

What do we mean when we say that Scripture is “sufficient”? Does the sufficiency of Scripture have anything to do with pastoral ministry? Does it shackle pastors or does it provide them reassurance?